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Photos and pdfs

Question: I have a couple of items that require loading images and PDFs to the server. I can send you the files and you can upload them or you can tell me how to do it or who to send them to.

I have been leery of photos as I have not had time to investigate the copyright of each photo and have been editing around them

As to pdf's, it is set up in the special pages, Media reports and uploads, upload a file. All wiki converters should have permission to upload files of the types noted.

Question:Is it possible to increase the upload limit for files? 2MB is too little for some pdfs
Maxrosenthal (talk) 05:36, 9 February 2014 (CST)

I just (I hope) increased the limit to 10M. mcrislip

Doesn't work for me yet. Maxrosenthal (talk)
Still showing the limit at 2M. Virogeek (talk) 07:04, 16 February 2014 (CST)

I'll look into it, but for big files if you send them to me I can upload them to the site and give you a link.

Is there a way to bulk upload files? Maxrosenthal (talk)

What is the preferred syntax for creating a wikilink to an uploaded .PDF file? For example, [[file:uploadedfile.pdf]], [[:file:uploadedfile.pdf]], or [[media:uploadedfile.pdf]]? Rasmur (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2014 (CDT)

I have been using Media and adding a PDF icon (Pdf.gif): "[[Media:uploaded file.pdf]] [[Image:pdf.gif]]" Jim Gibson (talk) 20:41, 22 June 2014 (CDT)

Large Files To Be Uploaded

I have encountered a few large PDF files that are over the 2MB limit. I am going to put links to the SFSBM pages and links to the PDF files in the table below so that at some point someone will be able to upload them and fix the links. In the meantime, I have left the link to the PDF original file on the Quackwatch or related site.

Page with Link to Fix Link to File
Dental Watch Classification of Objections
Public Health Service 1991 Report
Tooth Robbers
Fluoridation of Water and Cancer
Fluoridation: The Search and the Victory
Senate Hearings on the CDHA
Insurance Reform Watch Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Economic Case for Health Reform
Naturowatch Colorado Naturopathic Report
Nutriwatch DGA Advisory Committee Recommendations (2010)
Dental Board Actions Michael A. DeRose, DDS
Regulatory Actions against Ralph A. Landerman, D.D.S. 2011_revocation
7-Day Miracle Cleanse Exhibits A-E
Questionable Cancer Therapies Download documentation
OTA Report: Unconventional Cancer Treatments entire book
Direct Marketing Concepts 2007 Complaint

Exhibits 1-5
Exhibit 6-11
Exhibit 12
Exhibit 13
Exhibit 14

Herbalife Presentation by Bill Ackman
Index to Expert Reports Exhibit PP: Supplemental Expert Report of Jeffrey Brent, MD, PhD
Chiropractic Board Actions

Consumer Protection Suits (False_Advertising)
Malpractice Suits
Other Civil Cases

Civil Lawsuits Outside US
Congressional_Hearings 27 PDF documents; too many to list here.


Affiliated Sites

There is now a link for affiliated pages at the top of the main page.

Use those links for converting the affiliated watch sites

At some point, after all the pages are converted, there will be topic pages that will link to sub articles.

That organization should wait until all the converting is done.

Page deletions

What is the procedure for deleting duplicated pages?

According to MediaWiki Help, the delete option should be under the down arrow next to the "View history" tab. However, during the conversion process, certain editing options have been disabled for most users... I believe Dr. Crislip and other admins with appropriate rights are currently the only users able to delete pages. Maybe you could post the links to both pages that are duplicates here for one of them to be removed in the future... Richie (talk) 00:49, 8 February 2014 (CST)

Here's one duplicate page I found (unfortunately after converting the page myself):
Since the first of those pages already includes the picture and some corrected formatting and is apropriately connected to the :cancertreatmentwatch main page, I'd suggest keeping that one.
I also urge everybody to use the affiliated pages link to add articles, if at all possible. I set up the cancertreatmentwatch page and it's :a lot of work to find articles that have been converted beforehand to get the linked to the main page.
Maxrosenthal (talk) 05:35, 9 February 2014 (CST)

I have the same issue with duplicates. Before I convert a page I search the wiki with the first sentence or two to see if it exists.

Sure, but getting these linked apropriately takes time and is a bit tedious. Creating the pages through the links :on saves time and is easier to keep track of. Maxrosenthal (talk) 14:37, 9 February 2014 (CST)

I would like to suggest the following table: for each duplicate page I have indicated which one should be kept and which one(s) should be deleted (usually based on how much work seems to have already gone into them to sort out format/links). If you find additional duplicated pages, please add to the table. To avoid broken links as a result of page delete, please check “what links here” and relink other pages as necessary. Whoever has the permission to delete the extra page, please do. thanks Virogeek (talk) 18:45, 9 February 2014 (CST)

topic page to keep page(s) to delete comments
Qucakwatch Quackwatch Mission Statement Quackwatch Mission
chelation Chelation Chelation Therapy
EAV Electrodermal Screening Electrodermal Testing, Electronic-Allergo Sensitivity Test, Century Wellness Clinic
Chiro Don't Let Chiropractors Fool You Don't Be Fooled
AMA AMA Attacks Sale of Non-Health-Related Products in Medical Offices AMA Discourages Product Sales in Medical Offices
Cancer Clinic Davidson Cancer Clinic/Monterrey Wellness Cancer Monterrey Wellness Center
Mercury Mercury Testing Mercury testing for "amalgam toxicity", Mercury testing for amalgam toxicity
Colloidal Silver Colloidal silver Colloidal Silver
Colloidal Minerals Colloidal minerals Colloidal Minerals
Antimalignocytes A Skeptical Look at Antimalignocyt (CH-23) Antimalignocyt (CH-23)
Urine Toxic Metals test/Heavy Metal Toxicity How the "Urine Toxic Metals" Test Is Used to Defraud Patients Heavy metal toxicity More of the links have been converted to internal links on the "Page to keep"

Primate (talk) 09:37, 12 February 2014 (CST)

The Medical Messiahs The New Muckrakers TMM: Chapter 07 - The New Muckrakers also other chapters of same book
Ilona Abraham Ilona Abraham First amended accusation page to keep is protected
Extraordinary Claims Why Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof Why Extraordinary Claims Demand Extraordinary Proof
Questionable Cancer Therapies Questionable Cancer Therapies Devices: General comments
Michael Pinkus Michael_R_Pinkus Micheal_R_Pinkus Spelled name wrong
Edelson centre Disciplinary Actions against Stephen B. Edelson, MD Edelson Center Sued for Fraud and Malpractice, Edelson Center for Environmental and Preventive Medicine
NCAHF/CHD CHD07-50 CDH07-50.html Link had wrong spelling
NCAHF/CHD CHD07-50 CHD07-50.html Took 3 tries to get this one right
NCAHF/CHD CHD11-44 CDH11-44 Got this one the first time
Allergy Treatment Allergies: Dubious Diagnosis and Treatment ELISA/ACT
Sylvia Browne none Sylvia Bowne Conviction Wrong title
Spotting Quackery Twenty-Six Ways to Spot Quacks and Vitamin Pushers 26 Ways to Spot Quackery Better links on 'page to keep' Poncita (talk) 06:00, 15 March 2014 (CDT)
Smartbodyz/Sanapac SmartBodyz Nutrition 2004 Sanapac Company Sanapac link was duplicate of Smartbodyz
NCAHF/CHD Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2001

Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2002
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2003
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2004
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2005
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2006
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2007
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2008
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2009
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2010
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2011
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2012
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2013
Consumer Health Digest Archive: 2014

Digest/index.html 2001

Digest02/index.html 2002
Digest03/index.html 2003
Digest04/index.html 2004
Digest05/index.html 2005
Digest06/index.html 2006
Digest07/index.html 2007
Digest08/index.html 2008
Digest09/index.html 2009
Digest10/index.html 2010
Digest11/index.html 2011

links originally inconsistent
Doris (talk) 09:28, 15 March 2014 (CDT)
Reliable/Trustworthy Agencies and Organizations Trustworthy Agencies and Organizations (revised Nov 30, 2011) Reliable Agencies and Organizations (revised Jan 15, 2009) 'page to keep' is nearly the same, but more recent Doris (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2014 (CDT)
Attachment Therapy Attachment Therapy Attachment_disorder
Genetic tests Overview: Genetics and 'Predictive' Medicine Overview: Genetics and 'Predictive Medicine
"Stabilized Oxygen" FTC Attacks "Stabilized Oxygen" Claims Stabilized oxygen
Oxygenated Water Device Oxygenated Water Device Oxygen Deficiency Disease
Tahitian noni Tahitian noni Tahitian Noni
Gastrointestinal Quackery Gastrointestinal Quackery Colon Therapy and Related Quackery
Hulda Clark Hulda Clark Cure for All Cancers
Manner Metabolic Therapy Manner Metabolic Therapy Metabolic Therapy
Vitamin C Vitamin C High Doses Are Not Effective as a Cancer Treatment
Coral calcium Coral calcium Coral Calcium
CVS Corporation CVS Corporation CVS Corporation (9
FTC Actions FTC Law Enforcement Actions 2005 Direct-Prom
Bioesthetic Dentistry Bioesthetic Dentistry Bioestheitc Dentistry Misspelling
Contour Analysis Contour Analysis Contour analysis
Activator Adjustment Instrument Activator Adjustment Instrument Leg-length testing
Live Blood Cell Analysis Live Blood Cell Analysis Bradford Variable Projection Microscopy
Algae Products: False Claims and Hype Algae Products: False Claims and Hype Blue-green algae
Genetic Tests Genetic Testing Body Benefits test
Nugenix genetic profiling
Inappropriate ultrasound testing Inappropriate ultrasound testing Chiropractic abuse of ultrasound testing
Biological Terrain Assessment Biological Terrain Assessment BTA S2000, Bioscan 2010
Acupuncture Acupuncture Chinese Medicine
Acupuncture Qigong TCM
Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 How Congress Weakened the FDA in 1994
How the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 Weakened the FDA
Power Lines and Cancer Power Lines and Cancer Do Power Lines Cause Cancer?
OncoDiagnosticator OncoDiagnosticator Insulin Potentiation Therapy
"Cellulite" Removers "Cellulite" Removers Cellasene and other "Cellulite Removers"
Health Freedom Health Freedom "Health Freedom"
Ayurvedic Ayurvedic Mumbo-Jumbo Ayurvedic
A Few Thoughts on Ayurvedic Mumbo Jumbo
Escharotic Salves Escharotic Salves Ruth Conrad
Fit for Life Fit for Life Fit For Life
Lorraine Day Lorraine Day Health Restoration Program
Science vs "Alternative" Methods Common Questions About Science and "Alternative" Health Methods Science vs "Alternative" Methods
Nicholas Bachynsky Nicholas Bachynsky Intra-Cellular Hyperthermia Therapy

Duplicate Title Pages from Different Affiliated Websites

Just wanted to let everyone know that pages with general titles might conflict with other content from affiliated websites. If your create a link to a new page but for some reason the page exists, just verify the content on the page. For example, I was adding a new page titled "Significant Journal Reports" for Chirobase but a page with the same title already existed under Autism Watch. The pages were [Significant Journal Reports (Chirobase)] and [Significant Journal Reports (Autism Watch)]. Notice that the title are exactly the same but contain different content. Richie (talk) 01:15, 8 February 2014 (CST)

Yes I've noticed this too. I think this will happen more frequently as the conversion continues; the text displayed for the various hyperlinks within Quackwatch and it's affiliates tends to fairly generic e.g. I have seen multiple links entitled "Consent Order", since the underlying html means the link itself is unique. When we create and name pages within the Wiki we should make sure they are less generic e.g. "Consent Order relating to A.N Other". This may help to reduce confusion perhaps? Primate (talk) 09:29, 12 February 2014 (CST)

I find as the wiki grows that if I search the wiki with a big chunk of text from a quackwatch page before converting I can save duplication of effort. There are lots of links with different names that point to the same pages

A similar issue I stumbled upon is the issue of very similar articles (probably on a revised version of the other), e.g. (from 2009) and (from 2003). The content is almost the same, though the 2009 edition is longer and has more references (with a large overlap). Should the older version still be converted or should the link simply lead to the revised one (which is already in the wiki)? Maxrosenthal (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2014 (CST)

How deep are you going?

There is a lot of hyperlinking between pages on Quackwatch and it's affiliates. I've been trying to go about 1 or 2 links deeper than the page I had initially set out to convert by converting those pages to the Wiki as well, but beyond that it just gets confusing and some pages with loads of links effectively then take forever to convert properly.

My concern is that as the conversion continues if we're not converting links to Quackwatch or its affiliates to internal links as we go, then there will be hundreds of links out to Quackwatch that should really be links to internal Wiki pages. (which is evident from some of the pages I've browsed through still having loads of external links to Quackwatch)

How are you handling this? Are you converting as you go or leaving external links pointing to Quackwatch? Primate (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2014 (CST)

I try to eventually convert all quackwatch links to internal links. With time these pages will be edited and grow distant from the original quackwatch page, I think we should make the wiki as self contained as possible. I find them by searching the page for "htm", "watch" and "base" and search the wiki (by text, not title) if the page already exists or at least create a "broken" (red) link to the page as a place holder. Virogeek (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2014 (CST)

I have been getting rid of all the header and footer information that points to quackwatch, rings and affiliates.

We want the content, not the structure, of quackwatch. Eventually all the quackwatch pages will be internal links of the wiki, that will take several iterations to accomplish

Broken External Links

What should we do with links to external websites that are dead? On the page I'm currently editing (Misleading Infomercials) there are many links to pages on the website, and some of them are broken. I assume that when something gets old enough the FTC moves or deletes it. I've been putting "page not found" as a comment for other editors but nothing visible to indicate that it's a dead link... Should I? Poncita (talk) 13:49, 26 February 2014 (CST)

In some cases I managed to find and link to the site through the wayback machine which may have indexed the page when it was still up, or to find the page if it was just moved within the site. Wikipedia has a template for highlighting dead link but it does not yet exist on this wiki. Virogeek (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2014 (CST)

use you best judgement, the page not found works well

Tips and systematic conversion of articles?

I'm new to wikis and any tips and help would be appreciated. I was looking for a small article on Quackwatch to convert, but most seem to be converted already. Is there a system that I should be aware of? I don't want to throw things off. Ingersollites1 (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2014 (CST)

If you go to: Affiliated sites there are links to the pages that need converting. I think it is best if all converting is done via these pages, as it keeps things orderes. Pages that are red haven't yet been created. The set-up of a whole new page is a bit tedious (formatting, searching for existing pages, etc.), but once it's set up, simply converting linked articles is quite easy. Maxrosenthal (talk)

== Editing links in existing articles? ==

While searching for links to articles in the wiki, I've stumbled upone sites like Geoffrey S. Ames that link out to (e.g.) quackwatch-articles, that have already been converted, e.g. (in the first paragraph), which now exists as Electrodermal Screening in the wiki. I would've simply edited the link, but I can't edit the article. Question is: is there a place, a kind of "to-edit list" where such pages can be collected? And if the pages are edit-able, can we simply edit the links? Maxrosenthal (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2014 (CST)

Web Page Counts

Here are page counts for HTML, PDF, and image (gif,jpg,png) files on the Quackwatch and SFSBM sites:

acuwatch 15 3 0
allergywatch 6 4 0
autism-watch 30 78 0
bioethicswatch 38 45 0
cancer 24 9 0
cancertreatmentwatch 26 9 0
casewatch 1786 1121 0
chelationwatch 34 95 1
chirobase 554 38 32
credentialwatch 30 7 0
dentalwatch 81 128 17
devicewatch 32 10 17
dietscam 41 7 0
fibrowatch 4 1 0
homeowatch 53 12 0
ihealthpilot 32 0 0
infomercialwatch 21 3 6
insurancereformwatch 21 11 2
mentalhealthwatch 7 1 0
mlmwatch 77 6 0
naturowatch 34 8 2
ncahf 913 6 0
nccamwatch 4 5 0
nutriwatch 27 18 0
pharmwatch 57 5 0
quackwatch 983 85 9
Total 4930 1715 86
SFSBM 4820 679 176

Updated 7/31/14 Jim Gibson (talk) 09:59, 31 July 2014 (CDT)

Original html format

I just wanted to mention something I just realised: When you put the original html into the discussion page, putting "<nowiki>..</nowiki>" tags around the text will stop it from messing with the formatting of the page. (I also put the url of the page that I just converted at the top of the talk page, to make it easier to find things.) Poncita (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2014 (CDT)

You can also use the <pre> tag which saves newlines and extra spaces. Rasmur (talk) 18:33, 27 May 2014 (CDT)

Database query error

The Search function has been fixed and is now working. Jim Gibson (talk) 12:55, 7 June 2014 (CDT)