- 1 Photos and pdfs
- 2 Large Files To Be Uploaded
- 3 Affiliated Sites
- 4 Page deletions
- 5 Duplicate Title Pages from Different Affiliated Websites
- 6 How deep are you going?
- 7 Broken External Links
- 8 Tips and systematic conversion of articles?
- 9 Web Page Counts
- 10 Original html format
- 11 Database query error
Photos and pdfs
Question: I have a couple of items that require loading images and PDFs to the server. I can send you the files and you can upload them or you can tell me how to do it or who to send them to.
I have been leery of photos as I have not had time to investigate the copyright of each photo and have been editing around them
As to pdf's, it is set up in the special pages, Media reports and uploads, upload a file. All wiki converters should have permission to upload files of the types noted.
- Question:Is it possible to increase the upload limit for files? 2MB is too little for some pdfs
- Maxrosenthal (talk) 05:36, 9 February 2014 (CST)
I just (I hope) increased the limit to 10M. mcrislip
- Doesn't work for me yet. Maxrosenthal (talk)
- Still showing the limit at 2M. Virogeek (talk) 07:04, 16 February 2014 (CST)
I'll look into it, but for big files if you send them to me I can upload them to the site and give you a link.
What is the preferred syntax for creating a wikilink to an uploaded .PDF file? For example, [[file:uploadedfile.pdf]], [[:file:uploadedfile.pdf]], or [[media:uploadedfile.pdf]]? Rasmur (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2014 (CDT)
- I have been using Media and adding a PDF icon (): "[[Media:uploaded file.pdf]] [[Image:pdf.gif]]" Jim Gibson (talk) 20:41, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
Large Files To Be Uploaded
I have encountered a few large PDF files that are over the 2MB limit. I am going to put links to the SFSBM pages and links to the PDF files in the table below so that at some point someone will be able to upload them and fix the links. In the meantime, I have left the link to the PDF original file on the Quackwatch or related site.
There is now a link for affiliated pages at the top of the main page.
Use those links for converting the affiliated watch sites
At some point, after all the pages are converted, there will be topic pages that will link to sub articles.
That organization should wait until all the converting is done.
What is the procedure for deleting duplicated pages?
According to MediaWiki Help, the delete option should be under the down arrow next to the "View history" tab. However, during the conversion process, certain editing options have been disabled for most users... I believe Dr. Crislip and other admins with appropriate rights are currently the only users able to delete pages. Maybe you could post the links to both pages that are duplicates here for one of them to be removed in the future... Richie (talk) 00:49, 8 February 2014 (CST)
- Here's one duplicate page I found (unfortunately after converting the page myself):
- Since the first of those pages already includes the picture and some corrected formatting and is apropriately connected to the :cancertreatmentwatch main page, I'd suggest keeping that one.
- I also urge everybody to use the affiliated pages link to add articles, if at all possible. I set up the cancertreatmentwatch page and it's :a lot of work to find articles that have been converted beforehand to get the linked to the main page.
- Maxrosenthal (talk) 05:35, 9 February 2014 (CST)
I have the same issue with duplicates. Before I convert a page I search the wiki with the first sentence or two to see if it exists.
- Sure, but getting these linked apropriately takes time and is a bit tedious. Creating the pages through the links :on http://sfsbm.org/wiki2/index.php?title=Affilated_sites saves time and is easier to keep track of. Maxrosenthal (talk) 14:37, 9 February 2014 (CST)
I would like to suggest the following table: for each duplicate page I have indicated which one should be kept and which one(s) should be deleted (usually based on how much work seems to have already gone into them to sort out format/links). If you find additional duplicated pages, please add to the table. To avoid broken links as a result of page delete, please check “what links here” and relink other pages as necessary. Whoever has the permission to delete the extra page, please do. thanks Virogeek (talk) 18:45, 9 February 2014 (CST)
Duplicate Title Pages from Different Affiliated Websites
Just wanted to let everyone know that pages with general titles might conflict with other content from affiliated websites. If your create a link to a new page but for some reason the page exists, just verify the content on the page. For example, I was adding a new page titled "Significant Journal Reports" for Chirobase but a page with the same title already existed under Autism Watch. The pages were [Significant Journal Reports (Chirobase)] and [Significant Journal Reports (Autism Watch)]. Notice that the title are exactly the same but contain different content. Richie (talk) 01:15, 8 February 2014 (CST)
Yes I've noticed this too. I think this will happen more frequently as the conversion continues; the text displayed for the various hyperlinks within Quackwatch and it's affiliates tends to fairly generic e.g. I have seen multiple links entitled "Consent Order", since the underlying html means the link itself is unique. When we create and name pages within the Wiki we should make sure they are less generic e.g. "Consent Order relating to A.N Other". This may help to reduce confusion perhaps? Primate (talk) 09:29, 12 February 2014 (CST)
I find as the wiki grows that if I search the wiki with a big chunk of text from a quackwatch page before converting I can save duplication of effort. There are lots of links with different names that point to the same pages
A similar issue I stumbled upon is the issue of very similar articles (probably on a revised version of the other), e.g. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html (from 2009) and http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/ak.html (from 2003). The content is almost the same, though the 2009 edition is longer and has more references (with a large overlap). Should the older version still be converted or should the link simply lead to the revised one (which is already in the wiki)? Maxrosenthal (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2014 (CST)
How deep are you going?
There is a lot of hyperlinking between pages on Quackwatch and it's affiliates. I've been trying to go about 1 or 2 links deeper than the page I had initially set out to convert by converting those pages to the Wiki as well, but beyond that it just gets confusing and some pages with loads of links effectively then take forever to convert properly.
My concern is that as the conversion continues if we're not converting links to Quackwatch or its affiliates to internal links as we go, then there will be hundreds of links out to Quackwatch that should really be links to internal Wiki pages. (which is evident from some of the pages I've browsed through still having loads of external links to Quackwatch)
I try to eventually convert all quackwatch links to internal links. With time these pages will be edited and grow distant from the original quackwatch page, I think we should make the wiki as self contained as possible. I find them by searching the page for "htm", "watch" and "base" and search the wiki (by text, not title) if the page already exists or at least create a "broken" (red) link to the page as a place holder. Virogeek (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2014 (CST)
I have been getting rid of all the header and footer information that points to quackwatch, rings and affiliates.
We want the content, not the structure, of quackwatch. Eventually all the quackwatch pages will be internal links of the wiki, that will take several iterations to accomplish
Broken External Links
What should we do with links to external websites that are dead? On the page I'm currently editing (Misleading Infomercials) there are many links to pages on the ftc.gov website, and some of them are broken. I assume that when something gets old enough the FTC moves or deletes it. I've been putting "page not found" as a comment for other editors but nothing visible to indicate that it's a dead link... Should I? Poncita (talk) 13:49, 26 February 2014 (CST)
In some cases I managed to find and link to the site through the wayback machine which may have indexed the page when it was still up, or to find the page if it was just moved within the site. Wikipedia has a template for highlighting dead link but it does not yet exist on this wiki. Virogeek (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2014 (CST)
use you best judgement, the page not found works well
Tips and systematic conversion of articles?
I'm new to wikis and any tips and help would be appreciated. I was looking for a small article on Quackwatch to convert, but most seem to be converted already. Is there a system that I should be aware of? I don't want to throw things off. Ingersollites1 (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2014 (CST)
If you go to: Affiliated sites there are links to the pages that need converting. I think it is best if all converting is done via these pages, as it keeps things orderes. Pages that are red haven't yet been created. The set-up of a whole new page is a bit tedious (formatting, searching for existing pages, etc.), but once it's set up, simply converting linked articles is quite easy. Maxrosenthal (talk)
== Editing links in existing articles? ==
While searching for links to articles in the wiki, I've stumbled upone sites like Geoffrey S. Ames that link out to (e.g.) quackwatch-articles, that have already been converted, e.g. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/electro.html (in the first paragraph), which now exists as Electrodermal Screening in the wiki. I would've simply edited the link, but I can't edit the article. Question is: is there a place, a kind of "to-edit list" where such pages can be collected? And if the pages are edit-able, can we simply edit the links? Maxrosenthal (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2014 (CST)
Web Page Counts
Here are page counts for HTML, PDF, and image (gif,jpg,png) files on the Quackwatch and SFSBM sites:
Original html format
I just wanted to mention something I just realised: When you put the original html into the discussion page, putting "<nowiki>..</nowiki>" tags around the text will stop it from messing with the formatting of the page. (I also put the url of the page that I just converted at the top of the talk page, to make it easier to find things.) Poncita (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2014 (CDT)